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01/21/2011

11:43 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Hi Zeno,

On 21.01.2011 13:57, Zeno Davatz wrote:
> In contrast I have a very simple Use-Case for you. Rub...
mwaechter (Matthias Wächter)
11:38 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Austin

Thank you for your input.

Can you be a bit more specific please or can you point me to ...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
10:30 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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You're looking at 1.9.2 as if the version were major.minor.patch. It isn't, as has been noted in the past.

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austin (Austin Ziegler)
10:24 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Luis

Long-time no see! Thank you for your Feedback.

Please bring some practical examples to th...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
10:07 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org> wrote:
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> In contrast I have a very s...
luislavena (Luis Lavena)
09:57 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Bill

In my opinion you prove to like theory over practice. Ok, the Hash-Iteration happens with big...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
09:40 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Greetings,

NARUSE, Yui wrote:
> 2011/1/21 Bill Kelly <billk@cts.com>:
>> Similarly, I would be vastly co...
spatulasnout (B Kelly)
09:22 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Zeno,

Zeno Davatz wrote:
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> Do you use Hash-Interations? I don't think so. It does not
> seems so or ...
spatulasnout (B Kelly)
09:22 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/21 Bill Kelly <billk@cts.com>:
> Similarly, I would be vastly concerned, disappointed, disheartened,
...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
09:20 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/21 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> Sorry I do not agree. We do not use Hash-Merge we use the n...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
08:24 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Bill

Do you make a living of playing the lottery? I do not. I make a living from running ruby Soft...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
08:17 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

Sorry I do not agree. We do not use Hash-Merge we use the normal HashIteration and that is br...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
07:51 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Hi,

Zeno Davatz wrote:
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> This is another thing I learned from Linus Torvalds: Think practical
> don'...
spatulasnout (B Kelly)
07:06 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/21 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> Please correct me if I am wrong but in
>
> http://redmine...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
06:58 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

This is another thing I learned from Linus Torvalds: Think practical don't think theoretica...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
06:56 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/21 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> I think you are replacing "old" Ruby with "new" Ruby to fas...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
06:46 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

Please correct me if I am wrong but in

http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/show/1535
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zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
06:40 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/21 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> So can we expect a consistent behavior or a patch that fixe...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
06:18 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

I think you are replacing "old" Ruby with "new" Ruby to fast and with a Top-Down approach. ...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
06:02 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

So what you are saying it that Ruby 1.8.6 is like Kernel 2.4 and Ruby 1.9 is like Kernel 2....
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
05:46 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

So can we expect a consistent behavior or a patch that fixes the Hash-Iteration for 1.9.2 a...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
05:39 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/21 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> Issue #4239 has been updated by Zeno Davatz.
> I still thi...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
05:13 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/21 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> Issue #4239 has been updated by Zeno Davatz.
>
>
> Dear ...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
04:50 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Matsumoto-san

I will try to be helpful with the Trunk development.

I still think it is very i...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
04:32 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

I do not understand. So the Hash-Iteration will/should work again in r26687 as it used to w...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
04:06 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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(2011/01/21 0:53), Zeno Davatz wrote:
> PS: I by far prefer the word consistency to the word compatibility.
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naruse (Yui NARUSE)
04:02 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Hi,

In message "Re: [ruby-core:34669] [Ruby 1.8-Feature#4239] Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's need...
matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
04:02 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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(2011/01/21 1:14), Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> |This may be off-topic, please point me to the relevant topic...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
02:30 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Matsumoto-san

Thank you for your reply.

I would not cherry-pick the features out of the patche...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
01:15 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Jonas

Thank you for the link. I just updated that link. Thank you for the hint. I still need to le...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
01:15 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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HI,

In message "Re: [ruby-core:34665] [Ruby 1.8-Feature#4239] Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's need...
matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
12:53 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Matsumoto-san

Thank you for your reply.

I am imperfect too ;)

I think the way Ruby decides to ...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
03:51 AM Bug #4139: abort and core dump in ruby 1.8.7-p302
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Similar errors are happening in patch 330:
/usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/ostruct.rb:83: [BUG] Segmentation fault
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dtrusty (David Trusty)

01/20/2011

09:39 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Hi,

In message "Re: [ruby-core:34650] [Ruby 1.8-Feature#4239] Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's need...
matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
08:45 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/20 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> When I boot into a new kernel then I do _not_ get a Kernel-...
zimbatm (zimba tm)
07:45 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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On 10-01-2011 00:47, Charles Nutter wrote:
> Issue #4239 has been updated by Charles Nutter.
>
>
> 1.8....
rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)
06:27 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Matsumoto-san

Consistency should have been between Ruby 1.8 and 1.9. That is why I fight for a Ruby...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
02:52 PM Bug #4295: Time.utc(1960) raises ArgumentError: argument out of range (on Windows)
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Ah, ok then. That makes sense.
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ghazel (Greg Hazel)
12:09 PM Bug #4295 (Rejected): Time.utc(1960) raises ArgumentError: argument out of range (on Windows)
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Before 1.9.2, internal representation of Time is platform specific.
It's ruby's spec, not bug.
So, if you...
usa (Usaku NAKAMURA)
11:43 AM Bug #4295 (Rejected): Time.utc(1960) raises ArgumentError: argument out of range (on Windows)
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On Windows:

irb(main):001:0> Time.utc(1960)
ArgumentError: argument out of range
from (irb):...
ghazel (Greg Hazel)
12:13 AM Feature #4207: これから「1.8.8」の話をしよう -- 1.8がこの先生きのこるには
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妥協する案をなくすと、三択になったのは妥当だと思います(以前の私の提案では妥協するのも含めて4択だった)。なお本件はここまであまり開発者の関心を得られていない気がするので、私もプラクティカルにはaかなあと思います。
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shyouhei (Shyouhei Urabe)

01/19/2011

09:12 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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(2011/01/18 0:49), Zeno Davatz wrote:
>> The year 2002 is the night before 1.8 is released, so we decided
>...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
07:59 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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(2011/01/19 18:55), mathew wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:26, Rick DeNatale<rick.denatale@gmail.com> w...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
06:56 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:26, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:1...
meta (mathew murphy)
08:52 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Hi,

In message "Re: [ruby-core:34557] [Ruby 1.8-Feature#4239] Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's need...
matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
06:12 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:41:45AM +0900, Zeno Davatz wrote:
> Issue #4239 has been updated by Zeno Davatz.
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Cezary (Cezary Baginski)
12:41 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Matsumoto-san

Thank you for your reply.

I guess this boils down to the discussion of Micro-Ker...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
08:40 AM Revision 30605: * 2011-01-19
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08:40 AM Revision 30604: * win32/win32.c (init_stdhandle): backport mistake of r29382.
some code are needless in ruby 1.8.
[ruby-core:34579]
usa (Usaku NAKAMURA)

01/18/2011

11:23 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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2011/1/17 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> For me it is important to understand _why_ Ruby wants to be...
zimbatm (zimba tm)
02:15 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Hi,

In message "Re: [ruby-core:34540] [Ruby 1.8-Feature#4239] Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's need...
matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
12:49 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

Thank you for your reply.

> The year 2002 is the night before 1.8 is released, so we d...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
08:25 PM Feature #4207: これから「1.8.8」の話をしよう -- 1.8がこの先生きのこるには
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1.8.8を「出す」ことのメッセージ性、JRubyや一般の開発者などへの
影響を考えると、妥協して出すなどということで大義名文は立たない
というのが私の主張です。

1.8.8を誰が使っているんだ、と言...
knu (Akinori MUSHA)

01/17/2011

02:51 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Hi,

2011/1/17 Zeno Davatz <redmine@ruby-lang.org>:
> No such discussion, that is interesting but accordin...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
08:34 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Rick DeNatale wrote:
>
> It's water under the bridge, but 1.8.7 introduced several things which
> broke ap...
spatulasnout (B Kelly)
05:54 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

Thank you for your reply.

First of all I do not want to blame anyone. I want to unders...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)
03:42 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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(2011/01/17 3:26), Rick DeNatale wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM, NARUSE, Yui<naruse@airemix.jp> ...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
03:26 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM, NARUSE, Yui <naruse@airemix.jp> wrote:
> (2011/01/17 1:49), Rick DeNatale ...
RickDeNatale (Rick DeNatale)
02:19 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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(2011/01/17 1:49), Rick DeNatale wrote:
> But I think what 'enterprise' users are really looking for is a
>...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
01:50 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM, NARUSE, Yui <naruse@airemix.jp> wrote:
in response to Zeno Davatz:
> Your ...
RickDeNatale (Rick DeNatale)
09:58 AM Feature #4207: これから「1.8.8」の話をしよう -- 1.8がこの先生きのこるには
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伊達と申します。

はてなでアンケートを採ってみました。

http://q.hatena.ne.jp/1295189898

ちょっと設問にミスった感がありますが、議論の参考になればと思いますのでご覧くだ...
date (Ken DATE)

01/16/2011

12:17 PM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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I don't know much of the details/history here, but maybe a few comments
can help.

On 2011/01/16 3:05, NA...
duerst (Martin Dürst)
03:05 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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(2011/01/16 0:11), Zeno Davatz wrote:
> 1. Can you please point me to the discussion, where Ruby-Core decide...
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
12:11 AM Feature #4239: Let's begin a talk for "1.8.8" -- How's needed for surviving 1.8?
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Dear Yui-san

Thank you for your reply.

1. Can you please point me to the discussion, where Ruby-Cor...
zdavatz (Zeno Davatz)

01/15/2011

02:29 PM Revision 30553: * 2011-01-15
svn
02:29 PM Revision 30552: * ext/zlib/zlib.c (gzfile_check_footer): ISIZE (Input SIZE) in gzip's header
is the size of uncompressed input data modulo 2^32.
[ruby-core:34481] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1952.txt
naruse (Yui NARUSE)
 

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