Feature #11154


Postfix `!?` can use as the valid function identifier.

Added by make_now_just (Kitsune TSUYUSATO) almost 6 years ago. Updated almost 6 years ago.

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This patch make it possible to parse and execute such a code:

def foo!?


When is this patch useful?

Let's say, there are two methods. One method named ExampleDB#exists?(id) which is to request SQL has I/O side effects, another method named ExampleCollection#exists?(id) which is to find id in memory has no I/O side effects. Calling costs of these methods are different, but we can't know it by code on calling #exists.
In general case, when we want to make the method having to modify object and return boolean value, this patch is useful. Of course such a method is not good, however we are unavoidable to write good efficient program, aren't we?

What effects dose this change have?

For example, snippet foo!?1:2 is interpreted to call method foo! and ternary operation now, but after applying this patch it raises syntax error. Although we can escape this problem by spacing between foo! and ?.
I think that this problem is tiny, but it is incompatible change.

Why is postfix !? only? I want to use ?!, !!? or !?!?.

This is the religious problem. If you are Python user, you believe Zen of Python:

There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.

Or if you are Perl user, you believe TMTOWTDI:

There’s more than one way to do it.

I am not Perl nor Python user. But, this issue's purpose is naming identifier more clearly, so I adopted only !?.


prefix-bang-qmark-parse-y.diff (545 Bytes) prefix-bang-qmark-parse-y.diff for parse.y make_now_just (Kitsune TSUYUSATO), 05/15/2015 02:28 PM
prefix-bang-qmark-irb.diff (402 Bytes) prefix-bang-qmark-irb.diff for lib/irb/ruby-lex.rb make_now_just (Kitsune TSUYUSATO), 05/15/2015 02:29 PM
Actions #1

Updated by matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto) almost 6 years ago

  • Status changed from Open to Feedback


First of all, this is a proposal for incompatible change, so we have to be very careful.

Besides that, I am afraid you have two misunderstandings. (a) in Ruby, "!" is not for methods with side effect, unlike Scheme. (b) predicates (methods with "?") should not have side effect, this is a rule of thumbs.

In summary, we have to reject the proposal, unless you have unseen use-cases.



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