Misc #18174: DevelopersMeeting20211021Japan

• Status: Closed
• Priority: Normal
• Assignee: -

[mame (Yusuke Endoh)]

The next dev meeting

Date: 2021/10/21 13:00-17:00 +09:00
Place/Sign-up/Agenda/Log: https://github.com/ruby/dev-meeting-log/blob/master/DevelopersMeeting20211021Japan.md

• Dev meeting IS NOT a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker.
• Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly.
• Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue).
• We will write a log about the discussion to a file or to each ticket in English.
• All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers).
• The date, time and place are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time.
• DO NOT discuss then on this ticket, please.

Call for agenda items

If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format:

* [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name)
  * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.)

Example:

* [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1)
  * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature.

• It is recommended to add a comment by 2021/10/18. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting.
• The format is strict. We'll use this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda. We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format.
• Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion.

[mame (Yusuke Endoh)]

• Related to Misc #14770: [META] DevelopersMeeting added

[mame (Yusuke Endoh)]

• [Feature #18176] Make Coverage suspendable (mame)
  • I'd like to add Coverage.suspend and Coverage.resume. Any opinion?
• [Bug #18170] Exception#inspect should not include newlines (mame)
  • I've created a PR for StandardError.new("foo\nbar") #=> #<StandardError: "foo\nbar">. I had to modify some tests. Is it acceptable?

[ioquatix (Samuel Williams)]

• [Feature #18035] Introduce general model/semantic for immutable by default.
  • Can we agree on interface and implementation.
  • Process::Status is example use-case. Should be many more.
• [Feature #18083] Capture error in ensure block.
  • Can we deprecate $! (& $@)? It's dangerous and every use case is better with explicit capture. Also may have some performance advantages.
• [Feature #18020] Introduce IO::Buffer for fiber scheduler.
  • For efficient file IO we need an internal buffer with well defined semantics suitable for IO.
• [Feature #17369] Introduce non-blocking Process.wait, Kernel.system and related methods.
  • Currently, $? is thread-local, but it should be fiber local.
  • Should we try to fix $? or deprecate it?
  • Introduce new interface? system(...) {|status| ...}?
• [Bug #18194] No easy way to format exception messages per thread/fiber scheduler context.
  • Can we come to an agreement on what this looks like for Ruby 3.1?
  • Can we introduce fiber scheduler hook for unhandled exceptions?

[shugo (Shugo Maeda)]

• [Bug #17429] Prohibit include/prepend in refinement modules
  • Is the name Refinement#import OK?

[duerst (Martin Dürst)]

• [Feature #18239] Variable Width Allocation: Strings
  • Discuss deployment schedule and binary incompatibility issues.

[nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada)]

• [Feature #18242] Allow multiple assignment in logical expression
  • 1 < 2 and a, b = 2, 1 and so on.

[jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans)]

• [Misc #18248] Add Feature Triaging Guide (jeremyevans0)
  • Is it OK to add a feature triaging guide and start using it triage feature requests?
• [Bug #18066] Load did_you_mean/error_highlight even with --disable-gems (jeremyevans0)
  • Should --disable-gems also disable did_you_mean and error_highlight?
  • Most developers appear in favor, though mame (Yusuke Endoh) is against (but not strongly opposed).
• [Bug #18187] Float#clamp() returns ArgumentError (comparison of Float with 1 failed) (jeremyevans0)
  • How should Float#clamp handle case where receiver is NaN?
  • Currently it raises ArgumentError, but that is due to implementation details, not by design.
  • Is it OK to change it to return the receiver (NaN) in this case?
• [Bug #12436] newline argument of File.open seems not respected on Windows (jeremyevans0)
  • The option is currently ignored due to an oversight when the code was originally added.
  • Is it OK to introduce lf_newline transcoder and newline: :lf option to fix this?
  • Also, is newline: :crlf supposed to convert \r\n to \n during read only on Windows?

[byroot (Jean Boussier)]

• [Feature #10917] Add GC.stat[:total_time] when GC profiling enabled
  • ko1 (Koichi Sasada) did submit a pull request which seem fine except maybe for 32bits support.
  • ko1 (Koichi Sasada) did also measure the overhead and it appeared small.
  • Could this feature be merged for Ruby 3.1?

[byroot (Jean Boussier)]

• [Feature #17760] Where we should install a header file when gem install --user?
  • digest have been gemified. However its extconf.rb have $INSTALLFILES = { "digest.h" => "$(HDRDIR)" } which fail for most people because ruby's include directory is owned by root.
  • What should rubygems do here? Have a secondary user owned include directory?
  • If I have several versions of digest installed? How gems linking against it would know which version to use?
  • If there's no clear solution, with 3.1.0 approaching, should we revert that digest gemification so that 3.1.0 is actually usable?

[nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada)]

• Description updated (diff)

[Eregon (Benoit Daloze)]

• [Feature #18256] Change the canonical name of Thread::Mutex, Thread::Queue, Thread::SizedQueue and Thread::ConditionVariable to just Mutex, Queue, SizedQueue and ConditionVariable (eregon)
  • OK? (sorry for late addition for the meeting, we can move to next meeting if needed, but would be best to decide sooner than later)

[Dan0042 (Daniel DeLorme)]

• [Feature #17795] Around Process.fork callbacks API (dan0042)
  • A few naming suggestions have been made; does Matz like any of them?
• [Feature #17837] Add support for Regexp timeouts (dan0042)
  • Adding this to ruby 3.1 with a safe (high) value for Regexp.backtrack_limit would be an improvement on the current lack of limit, and would allow to get measurements from real-world applications for a better default value.

[byroot (Jean Boussier)]

• [Feature #18254] Add an offset parameter to String#unpack and String#unpack1
  • Binary protocol parsers currently have to slice their buffer repeatedly, this new argument would save a lot of string copying.

[Eregon (Benoit Daloze)]

• [Bug #17146] Queue operations are allowed after it is frozen. (eregon)
  • This is an obvious inconsistency and it makes no sense whenever we discuss deep freezing object graphs. Let's fix it.

[mame (Yusuke Endoh)]

We held the dev-meeting but didn't finish until the last topic. An extra meeting will be held at the next Monday.

[mame (Yusuke Endoh)]

• Status changed from Open to Closed
• Description updated (diff)